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Warning The Lawyer's Club

Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 21:48

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The Lawyer's Club
The K&B Forum's Court of Law


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This club is a judgment hall, where the judges (in this case Moderators and Admins) judge some cases of spam or other inappropriate behavior. Cases need to be based on hard evidence, and suspects can try to make the judge think otherwise by providing counter-evidence of their own. Suspects can also ask help from a lawyer (which can be any forum member). Witnesses may also have their say in a case, this being of particular use in cases built around hidden discussions like the chatbox or PM messages.

When enough evidence can be provided that suspect is guilty, a judge may decide on his verdict, which will then be applied to said suspect. If the suspect or his lawyer seriously disagrees with the verdict, they may apply for the case to be redone in the High Court.

If a case is minor, the prosecution can decide to simply fine the suspects instead of going to trial.

Possible Forms of Inquiry
1. Public Trial (everybody who wants to speak gets their say and there will be a poll, poll decides)
3. Trial by Judge (witnesses, lawyers, suspect, and judges get their say, judge decides)
4. Jurisprudence Constante (none get their say, judge decides based on past verdicts)
5. No Trial (none get their say, Grand Inquisitor decides the verdict and fine)

Possible Punishments (in order of severity)
1. Warning
2. Fine
3. Temporary chatbox ban
4. Permanent chatbox ban
5. Temporary ban from specific forum
6. Permanent ban from specific forum
7. Temporary ban from all K&B forums
8. Permanent ban from all K&B forums
9. Permanent IP-ban from all K&B forums

Functions
Spoiler:
1. State Prosecutor: Responsible for deciding to press charges or not, usually also prosecutes.
2. Prosecutor: Decides to press charges or not, also prosecutes.
3. High Court Judge: Judging verdicts made by other judges
4. Judge: Judging evidence and deciding on punishment
5. Sollicitor: Aiding the suspect in a case
6. Jury: Judging evidence and deciding on punishment. Consists of three people elected by a judge.

Users with special functions
1. The Dude (Judge and State Prosecutor)
2. peugeot407 (High Court Judge and Prosecutor)
3. AOE_Fan (High Court Judge and Prosecutor)
4. Pepp (Judge and Prosecutor)
5. spangopola (Judge and Prosecutor)
6. iliander (Pro Deo Sollicitor)
7. Nero (Sollicitor)

Active Cases

None

Past Cases
1. Paco the Great
Spoiler:
- Suspect: Paco the Great
- Lawyer: iliander
- Judge: Pepp
- Charge: Opening spam threads for no other reason than to enrich the suspect
- Form of Inquiry: Trial by Judge
- Verdict: GUILTY
- Punishment: 180 Ducat Fine
- Trial Status: Closed
2. Offtopicness in Fransesca des Sales
Spoiler:
- Suspect: Iliander, Arcalion, Nero
- Lawyer: None
- Judge: None, case was decided by Grand Inquisitor
- Charge: Offtopicness
- Form of Inquiry: No Trial
- Verdict: Guilty
- Punishment: 100 Ducat Fine
- Trial Status: Closed
3. iliander
Spoiler:
- Suspect: Iliander
- Lawyer: None
- Judge: peugeot407
- Charge: Inappropriate behaviour against both other users and administrators
- Form of Inquiry: Public Trial
- Verdict: INNOCENT
- Punishment: None
- Trial Status: Closed


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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 21:55

Can I be a judge? :lol:

1. Paco the Great
- Case: Opening dozen of topics for ducats
- Lawyer: ?
- Judge(s): Pepp
- Punishment: 1 warning

I want to be Paco's lawyer, because he does not deserve this.

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 21:57

ili: I want to be Paco's lawyer, because he does not deserve this.
He can also ask help from one lawyer (in this case the testifier(s)).
It is clearly stated here, that it is not YOU who ask to be lawyer, but the suspect (Paco).



ili: Can I be a judge?
where the judges (in this case Moderators and Admins)

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Post by Paco the Great on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:01

I ask help from Iliander.


And only 3 of the threads were solely for ducats, others were pieces of necessary and inspired work.

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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:02

Pepp, the massive topic flood is outdated for you, because you became Moderator afterwards.

I ask help from Iliander.
I'm not sure if it's possible...

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:03

Updated*

Which ones is for ducats, and which ones is really for your creativity?

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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:04

You just like to close topics, that's what it is. Pepp, he already offered his apologies.

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:06

You just like to close topics, that's what it is. Pepp, he already offered his apologies.

I know it, but this topic shall be opened, many things can happen afterward.

To Paco:
1. Total of for ducats: 3
2. Total of for creativity: 4
3. Other thing: apologize
4. Punishment: warning, remove 500 ducats.

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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:08

4. Punishment: warning, remove 500 ducats.
That's a copy of WotTA's warnings, no. A warning is viewed on the warning bar, not in someone's pockets.

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:10

A warning is viewed on the warning bar, not in someone's pockets.

Decreasing ducats will makes somebody learn that opening dozen topics is not a right way for gathering ducats.
Note: punishment decreased to 250 ducats. For now, decreasing is impossible as the Dude disable moderator to do it.

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Post by Paco the Great on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:13

Yes, ok, but please let me earn it first as I'm desperate for that smilie.

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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:13

I disagree with that, I know that you're a moderator, but this will only let him strive to get more Ducats, he was just going to order a new smiley!

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:16

The remove of 250 ducats can be done later. Buy the smillie as fast as you can.

To ili: You have be a good lawyer! thumbs up

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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:23

Thanks! Smile

The remove of 250 ducats can be done later. Buy the smillie as fast as you can.
Then he will get -250 Ducats. :lol: But will he also get a warning on his warning bar? And if so, I think that's enough... Either the warning or the Ducats, and I think that this wasn't illegal enough to be warned for, while still being against the forum rules, just steal the Ducats he got from making them, he made 3 for Ducats, which makes a total of 90 Ducats, then multiply it, so you get 180 Ducats. Just get rid of 180 Ducats form him. Razz

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:28

Okay, as he apologize, as I decide the warn before the trial, and as:
1 topic= 30 ducats
3 topics= 90 ducats
punishment= 2X 3 topics= 180 ducats
I'll decide:
1. The warn will be removed
2. The ducats remove will be -180, not -250.
3. The ducats remove will be done later.

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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:31

Good! I think Paco will be relieved now.

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 22:33

Okay.

~END OF PACO TRIAL~

Any change can be done by the Judge (Pepp) only.
No more proof or trial.

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Post by peugeot407 on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 23:01

Updated the thread and added some rather important things to this system.


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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 23:16

Update update done by peugeot407*

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Post by Nero on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 23:29

This is a good system and I formally request to become a lawyer (either prosecutor or defence). I can be very persuasive. Also I have done a quick study in law for a year.

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Post by Pepp on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 23:34

Lawyer can be chosen by suspect only. Beside that, only iliander that may be a Pro Deo Lawyer (because he is a knight).

In fact, prosecutor must be the one who knows much about the forum's law, not the one who knows about the country's law.

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Post by peugeot407 on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 23:38

Very true, but if I were to be charged now, I'd know to choose Nero as my barrister...


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Post by iliander on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 23:39

The update is very good! And I'm a pro deo lawyer! Very Happy

PS: What is a barrister?

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Post by peugeot407 on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 23:45

An alternate term for lawyer. Actuall it's more specific, a barrister is a lawyer that specialises in the defense (the suspect side of court), whereas a sollicitor (yet another term for laywer) is more of a general know-all of the law and thus more like a jurist.


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Post by iliander on Fri 8 Jul 2011 - 2:17

I've got a new idea, people who have done something wrong and need a lawyer, also have to pay him. 100 Ducats each time. :lol:

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