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Post by The Dude on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 6:20

Ilainder your taking this too seriously. YOU are the one acting like a small little child, quit being such a cry baby and take your punishment like everyone else. I'll give you back 500 ducats, but that's it.

Case Dismissed for fear of it getting too ugly, too fast.

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Post by iliander on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 6:50

I'm not acting like a small little child.

You probably didn't even listen.
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Post by peugeot407 on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 6:54

Case Dismissed for fear of it getting too ugly, too fast.

You can't just do that... Well, Pepp can take over as Inquisitor, but I want the case to go on.


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Post by The Dude on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 8:50

Listen, if this goes on my temper will break loose, and god only knows what will happen.

Besides I decreased Iliander's chivalry 3 maybe 4 times for a bad idea, and he thinks it some childish habit of mine to decrease peoples chivalry, and then I take away some of his ducats for falsely accusing two VIPs. And now he's making some big deal about what 500 ducats? Ilainder, you can pretty much already buy everything in the shop, why do you care????

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Post by Nero on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 17:45

I am just inviting bad things, but for him, it is the principle of the thing.
I think this is his point of view, "I was making a honest suggestion and was completely shot down. I lost too much chivalry for that. I only accused people who actually did decrease my chivalry. It isn't fair." I think that's his view, I could very well be wrong. I am not defending him, it is just that he deserves to have his point made.
I too think that iliander is being a bit winy. Also until he gives a real apology, he should have half his ducats taken away.
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Post by iliander on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 20:16

Nero is very right, it's not abut the amount of Ducats, it's about the principe.

Ilainder your taking this too seriously. YOU are the one acting like a small little child, quit being such a cry baby and take your punishment like everyone else. I'll give you back 500 ducats, but that's it.

Case Dismissed for fear of it getting too ugly, too fast.

When you run out of words, your very last weaponry are some personal assaults (and ignoring), since you can't handle my statements anymore.

Listen, if this goes on my temper will break loose, and god only knows what will happen.
Oh, so now everything depends on your temper? I'm sorry, but that's a wrong reasoning for both an admin, inquisitor AND a normal user.

Besides I decreased Iliander's chivalry 3 maybe 4 times for a bad idea, and he thinks it some childish habit of mine to decrease peoples chivalry, and then I take away some of his ducats for falsely accusing two VIPs. And now he's making some big deal about what 500 ducats? Ilainder, you can pretty much already buy everything in the shop, why do you care????
No, I did NOT accused Hoop and Chris, I wasn't even being serious, you could call it a joke. I'm also NOT making a deal about the AMOUNT of ducats, actually not even about the ducats themselves, I'm making a big deal (wait, you began making a big deal of it...) of me being here without a good reason. Since your reasons are:

- Bitching: Not a worthy reason.
- Falsely Accusing People: I already explained why.
- Your little PM to me: A normal reaction, I would say. Btw, that PM wasn't rude or anything, I just calmly asked why you so desperately wanted to decrease it, that's all...

Actually, I can't be the one making a big deal of this, since I'm not the one who started a trial about this.

I understand that you felt annoyed and attacked, but so did I.
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Post by Pepp on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 23:49

I've read all comment, and I don't see any proofs who do it, except that what Iliander did is childish.

Just one thing to said, Iliander, stop speaking about Chivalry and ducats.

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Post by iliander on Thu 25 Aug 2011 - 23:57

I've read all comment, and I don't see any proofs who do it, except that what Iliander did is childish.
I've got a different opinion about that.

Just one thing to said, Iliander, stop speaking about Chivalry and ducats.
Unfortunately I can't, since the case is all about it.
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Post by Pepp on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 0:26

Stop speaking about ducats and chivalry after the case closed, can't you just think easy alike that? Mr. 'Genius'???

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Post by iliander on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 0:32

Lol?
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Post by Pepp on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 0:38

No. It is not funny as THIS IS A SERIOUS PLACE, Mr. 'Genius'.

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Post by iliander on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 0:43

Yes, but YOU ARE NOT ACTING LIKE A SERIOUS INQUISITOR right now.
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Post by peugeot407 on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 0:55

I do have to agree with iliander here. First of all the case hasn't even been opened yet, leave alone closed, secondly a great number of Ducats have been taken from him, he very well has the right to wonder why, and lastly your behaviour does indeed not fit that of a prosecutor, and certainly not that of a judge.

In fact, I think I'll relieve you from your position.


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Post by iliander on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 0:57

Thank you.

But I actually didn't want Pepp to lose his inquisitor status... Sad
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Post by peugeot407 on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 1:01

We'll see about that. For now, I've turned this into a Public Trial, everybody can vote until tomorrow 18:00 GMT, just to get it over with.


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Post by Pepp on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 1:07

Okay, I just find it is funny for me :lol: .

Trial Started

Judge Cardinal Pepp says that:
1. Iliander is in a case, namely Childish vs Tyrant (I've to said it as what I see, so sorry if you just don't like it), as:
- Iliander do a Childish act, supposing 2 VIP from Wotta for decreasing his chivalry without clear reason.
- Iliander also suppose that the Grand Inquisitor who did it.
- Iliander send a PM to Dude:
Hello,

I would like to know why you have such a childish hobby of decreasing my Chivalry until it's still 25% of the original amount in 1 day.

Thank you.

2. Dude's punishment to Iliander is too overweight, as:
- It is a small case
- The punishment is -1.000 Ducats, mean +-80 posts (am I right?).
- It is decided WITHOUT trial.
note!: as Dude punish Iliander without trial, I can say that it is ILLEGAL

THOSE MEAN:
1. We have to decide, is Iliander's act is childish, or not. As:
- It is written in the Lounge.
- Even if it is insulting, it is not that bad compared to Washington's (you know who is him, right?).
- It has no negative effect at all (really).
2. We have to decide, is Iliander's insults to Dude can be trialed or not, as:
- IT IS A PM!!!
3. We have to decide a new punishment for Iliander.

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Post by iliander on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 1:23

Judge Cardinal Pepp says that:
1. Iliander is in a case, namely Childish vs Tyrant (I've to said it as what I see, so sorry if you just don't like it), as:
- Iliander do a Childish act, supposing 2 VIP from Wotta for decreasing his chivalry without clear reason.
- Iliander also suppose that the Grand Inquisitor who did it.
- Iliander send a PM to Dude:

Well, I was actually making a joke about Chris and Hoop... Neutral Or at least not being serious... Razz And you actually also suppose the Grand Inquisitor did it, it's written in your newspaper. :lol:

2. Dude's punishment to Iliander is too overweight, as:
- It is a small case
- The punishment is -1.000 Ducats, mean +-80 posts (am I right?).
- It is decided WITHOUT trial.
note!: as Dude punish Iliander without trial, I can say that it is ILLEGAL

Actually, it are 100 posts. Razz

So now Dude has to receive a punishment? :lol: :lol: (JK)

THOSE MEAN:
1. We have to decide, is Iliander's act is childish, or not. As:
- It is written in the Lounge.
- Even if it is insulting, it is not that bad compared to Washington's (you know who is him, right?).
- It has no negative effect at all (really).
2. We have to decide, is Iliander's insults to Dude can be trialed or not, as:
- IT IS A PM!!!
3. We have to decide a new punishment for Iliander.

1. I agree.
2. There's proof of the PM... But what's so bad about that PM?
3. No warning please. :lol:
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Post by peugeot407 on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 1:25

1. We have to decide, is Iliander's act is childish, or not. As:
- It is written in the Lounge.
- Even if it is insulting, it is not that bad compared to Washington's (you know who is him, right?).
- It has no negative effect at all (really).
2. We have to decide, is Iliander's insults to Dude can be trialed or not, as:
- IT IS A PM!!!
3. We have to decide a new punishment for Iliander.

I agree with that, these are the three things to take into account when voting.

Somehow this last post looks like it came from another person than those of the previous page. I'm returning you to your post, Pepp, just try to behave slightly more professional in the future.

Now for my personal arguments (but do please ignore them, as this is a Public Trial):
- I do not see how it is illegal to complain about a loss of Chivalry
- I do not see how it is illegal to wonder who decreased the Chivalry, as long as there are no direct accusations (which there weren't)
- I do not see how supposedly being childish, or telling others they are, is illegal
- Even if iliander were to be guilty, I personally find the offenses so minor that I don't think any penalty would be rational or fair


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Post by Pepp on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 1:33

Somehow, seeing all fact, I must say that, in another hand, Dude himself do a childish act with punishing Iliander -1.000 Ducats WITHOUT trial. It is just against our motto, that:

"KnB Built Under Democratic Base"

We must know that everything that comes via P.M. cannot be trialed, as it is somewhat 50:50 between sender and receiver.

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I've just seeing the first post, and I just know that I'm fired from the Court as judge. Now I'm nothing in the court, right?

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Post by chris17 on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 2:34

I voted for 'no', it would be better for Iliander just to ''learn'' that some jokes might have a bad ending, from all this history, but he should not be fined. Just stop acting a bit childish, Iliander!

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Post by iliander on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 2:46

Thank you, Chris. Actually, thanks to everyone for voting "No"! Razz

The Courthouse is hardly the place for personal thank-yous.


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Post by The Dude on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 8:05

As Grand Inquisitor, I see the punishment of removal of 500 ducats to be fine. It is to teach Iliander a lesson on maturity, this is why you got banned from NE Iliander, you where acting like a child. Razz

Of course K&B is based upon Democratic principles, but that's K&B. This is just the site. Razz Now I know I sound like some sort of tyrant, but I want Iliander to learn his lesson. Otherwise he's just going to annoy me to the point in which I could ban him.

It's time to grow up iliander, take your punishment like a man.

Of course Iliander's probably come back and say "You act like a child when you swear at me for no reason!"

1. I have a reason, you go into no depth when you search for something. (at least Polish history Razz ) and just take the name of something without bothering to really look.

2. I don't swear at you I just swear. If I say let's say a SOB, that doesn't mean I called you an SOB, it just means you made me say it.

And I'm assuming no one will understand that right? :lol:

Not trying to sound like a tyrant, just trying to help you Iliander, this is for your own good! Razz

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Post by iliander on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 9:10

I find your statements quite... um... no, I do not need a lesson on maturity, I'm more mature than you think. All this has nothing to do with maturity or childiness, it has to do with your personality. I'm not a person who blindly accepts everything or lets go things easily.

It's time to grow up iliander, take your punishment like a man.
Also, you do not have the right t say this, since you are not more mature than I am. IT's not about taking the punishment, it's about the fact that I don't deserve a punishment.

Also, the poll clearly states that I should not get a fine. But I probably acted childish again? Rolling Eyes Razz
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Post by peugeot407 on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 10:00

I'm not a person who blindly accepts everything or lets go things easily.

Nor should you, or anybody for that matter, be.

Also, the poll clearly states that I should not get a fine.

Well, the poll hasn't ended yet, but it does indeed look as if it's heading in that direction.

Now I know I sound like some sort of tyrant, but I want Iliander to learn his lesson. Otherwise he's just going to annoy me to the point in which I could ban him.

I know you won't like me for saying this, but if iliander annoys you with such minor things, perhaps that says more about you than about iliander.


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Post by General_II on Fri 26 Aug 2011 - 12:13

Spoiler:
you made me say it.
In a real court this would be around the time your lawyer tackles you and covers your mouth.
(though I imagine I have no posting authority here so take this as a confidential aside with private legal council)
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